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R450 discussion 4

Posted on Oct 29th, 2008 by Fa- La- La- La- La- La- La- : Love Blossom; Pitaji (oH yrteop:-) Fa- La- La- La- La- La- La-
 

Here and now, I'll discuss the apparent conflict in the conception of Buddha simultaneously as transcendently beyond the world of words, and as an eminent teacher that uses regularly words to turn the wheel of the Dharma. Most prominently, for me, are the questions: Does transcendence negate that which is transcended? If one ascends a stairway from the first floor to the second (or third or fourth for that matter) does this then mean the possibility of returning to the first is no longer present? Can there be a third floor if there isn't a first? According (roughly) to the Diamond Sutra, upon the realization of anuttarar-samyak-sambodhi Buddha attained no-thing, suggesting that Buddhahood and a life in the cycles of samsara aren't, strictly speaking, distinct. Even if words do no justice to the ultimate realization of Buddha (which i feel can be understood somewhat like a fusion of Tantra and Zen) can they offer nothing to those seeking peace? I'm reminded of physics, specifically of the concept known as wave interference. Given that the discussion is dealing with words the most obvious metaphoric tenor is that of sound. When a sound is produced (say, by rhythmic pulses of a cone shaped object connected to a wire coil through which current flows creating an electromagnetic field in opposition to a stationary magnet that surrounds it) it travels through space and time as a wave. If another sound is produced (or the same sound out of phase) such that the peaks of one wave meet the troughs of the other, both are canceled and any listener would perceive silence. Technology that is based on this principle would include ‘Noise cancelling headphones' and such. So, if Buddha wishes (or not wishes, or...) to act as a physician, working to cure the ails of illusion, delusion and the requisite sufferings, could producing (or at least emanating) some illusion precisely antithetical to the dis-eased one not possibly offer, even momentarily, a cessation of the illness; offering a glimpse into the hidden corners of life and death? This obviously brings up the ‘problem' of a conception forming Buddha who constantly acts spontaneously. An image that may or may not be sufficient and/or applicable, but resolved personal cognitive dissonance, is of Buddha, in samadhi, maybe forming, maybe farming, conceptions that enter into a kind of rotating bingo ball dispenser. And in the course of conventional interactions these concepts roll out in a synchronistic manner for the benefit of all.

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Alan :  Life to life.
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Alan said

However innumerable the sentient beings are, buddha vows to “save” them.  
Buddha, could he, enlightened, have ascended?  of course.  
He stayed.  And became Bodhisattva.  
Ascension is real.  Ascension is open to those who have opened their eyes. 
And yet, he stayed.  
And became a living pawn… : )
all things are in all things.  “Transcendent” is misused often to suggest existence without existence.  Where is this existence without existence?  However vast the illusions are, we vow to transcend them…
To transcend is to transcend: it is to see beyond a paradigm.  It is not to disappear.  It is possible to attain nirvana and have no 'separate' self… and it is possible to transcend and remain, to change balance to the point where the beyond and the everyday are no different.  
In reality, we are walking on nirvana, and eating nirvana, and nirvana shines nirvana, unless nirvana comes in front of nirvana, and we call it a 'cloudy day.'
nirvana is your soup and your steak dinner: it is the homeless man.  It is president bush.  To be in nirvana does not mean leaving nirvana, but accepting it.
Be well, nameless one.

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